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Russia now has pics and statements of Obama. Does that help Russia in next missile crisis staredown?

Blue Gypsy Rose:

"CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN " is coming!....Aren't you excited, CalCarp?

CalCarp:

...what change, a2z? ..what change?

CalCarp:

..I don't want "excitement" a2z. I just want to go to work, feed my family, pay my mortgage, ..and not have to worry that my "America hating" President is going to let other nations throw missiles at us. I care not one whit, ..that some teenager in Germany or France is "excited about Obama", ..Let THEM have him! ..I worry about my kids, my economy, my Country. You go out and find "excitement", ..I'll go out and vote McCain, and then get back to work.

Looking4answers:

What about America does Obama hate CalCarp? And why does he hate these things?

CalCarp:

Here he is, hating the Anthem, ..and he said on utube it was because it represents a "rockets and red glare" America, ..and he doesn't think that should be honored.

Looking4answers:

Wow, youtube- the world's most trusted source for unbiased information.

Smokin' Joe:

If the same scenario happens under an Obama administration, there will be missiles in Cuba. The difference between Kennedy and Obama is like you said, Kennedy loved his country. Obama would probably make a deal with the enemy to share the power. Sort of like "sharing the wealth".

CalCarp:

..as in "If we all had equal nuclear, ..there would be no more fighting"?

Looking4answers:

isn't that the concept behind MAD?

CalCarp:

MAD assumes everyone wants to survive, and will do whatever it takes to do so. Nihilistic, suicide bombing countries will not be deterred by death. But more importantly here, ..in a "stare down" of even "life protective" military opposition (as did happen in '62) ..each side assays the other for depth of determination to save their country (..Khrushchev said, "America is not ready to fight over tough issues.") If I was "negotiating" with someone who refused to lift his hand to his heart for his country, I would be MUCH more willing to "raise the bet" I was willing to wager upon that person "backing down". In a military confrontation, ..those "bets" we wager, are human lives. Putin would rather NOT have to stare down a McCain who accepted 5 more years in a POW camp rather than take the "easy way out".

CalCarp:

..and evidently Sen. Obama is aware of this concern. He shows up on stage in Colorado with a dozen uniformed military officers in tow, ..and has recently "proudly proclaimed" he is determined to go into Pakistan (a nuclear country) and "kill Osama" (..who is now living in a cave in a high altitude mountain desert). So, ..after initially pridefully pronouncing his dissatisfaction with America, ..he returns to the stage 4 months later, robed in Red-White-and-Blue announcing his a new-found adoration of "rockets and red glare". This "finding himself" is to be encouraged, ..but I do not chose him to square-off with Putin, not yet. (..What would Gary Kasparov say about that "match"?)

Looking4answers:

CalCarp, you seem to think that Obama can't be disappointed and dissatisfied with the direction in which this country is headed and yet still love this country and want to do everything to make it great. So let me ask you this, if Obama wins and the Democrats start pushing through their agenda, would you consider everyone that speaks out against that agenda to be anti-American? Because that's exactly what you're doing right now.

Harold:

McCain will have us in other war within his first term remember BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN he already thinking about it and can't wait.
 

CalCarp:

..Why would McCain want a war? ..he has argued so hard to get this one over with! ..Why would he want to start another? ..isn't it Obama who says he is going into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden? ..How do you get that McCain wants a war? ..He is the only one of all the candidates who knows how much it hurts!!

Svwhu:

McCain is a war monger and he wants his own (war) claim to fame, just like GW Bush did. He can't wait to show the world what a tough guy he is.

CalCarp:

Then why did he insist on getting enough troops to Iraq to bring down that fighting? ..Why didn't he just sit back and "enjoy the show"? ..Tough guy? So far, only Obama has talked about going into other countries to kill people! (..Osama bin Laden) Or to do "Whatever it takes, to stop Iran". Or to stand there on stage with 2 dozen career-climbing military officers in Colorado! McCain had vets who had seen and felt the war, sitting in the audience, families at their side. Who values peace? ..Who values family? ..Not Obama! Obama would have walked away from Iraq and let those Iraqis die.

Blue Gypsy Rose:

I wonder how many of the people who already voted for Obama in the early elections, remembered, that a vote for Obama will bring Rev. Wright's dream a step closer to come true! "GOD D......AMERICA and all the citizens who are not of African descent".... America, kiss your freedom and your income GOODBYE!

Looking4answers:

wright never said "G Damn all the citizens who are not of African descent." Quit making up quotes.

CalCarp:

please correct Obama's Pastor's words, Toggy, ..What did he REALLY say?

Looking4answers:

I just did correct his words. He said "G Damn America." (and in context he was saying God would judge America harshly for her misdeeds, based upon his rather Old Testament interpretation of God's wrath). But he never said G Damn America and all the citizens who are not of African descent. A2z is either misinformed or lying. Show me where Rev Wright said that and I will admit my mistake.

CalCarp:

Why do you waste time with your first six words? ..Why do you waste other peoples' time? ..Is "truth" so nebulous for you? ..or do you think that there are just other things "more important than truth"? We all know what Sen. Obama's Pastor said: "God! ..DAMN!! ..AMERICA!!!" ..that was about it, right? He was not referencing some biblical prophecy, ..he was in a real act of hating. Now, I have never worried about what Rev. Wright said. It IS a free country, and he is welcome to feel any way he wants! And he is FREE to express those feelings also! (.."Dr. Phil" would be proud!) Why can't we admit what people have said and done? (..Rev. Wright did! He, like William Ayers, have both acknowledged their acts and their feelings. I respect that!) The question is: Of all the people around us, ..some hot, ..some cold, ..who is the man or woman who is "just right" for the very central position of President of the United States? Rev. Wright? ..Mr. Ayers? ..Sen. Obama? ..Dr. Phil? ..or John McCain?

Looking4answers:

Still waiting for you to show me where I am wrong or mistaken.

Looking4answers:

You know, Kennedy didn't really stare down the Russians. He had to give them something (the removal of US missiles in Turkey) to get them to take their missiles out of Cuba. This is why Obama would be better in such a crisis due to his willingness to negotiate with our enemies instead of just threatening to blow them up, like McCain.

Smokin' Joe:

Kennedy said that the Soviet Union would feel the full force of the United States military. Sounds like a threat to me.

Looking4answers:

Yeah, but it didn't really intimidate the Soviet Union. It was basically a Mexican standoff.

Smokin' Joe:

They left, didn't they?

CalCarp:

Smokin', ..I don't call it a 'threat", ..I call it a reality. The morning after Kennedy demanded the Russian departure, the American military went to DEFCON 2 (..for the first time in history). Nuclear armed American bombers went up in the air, Russian ships approaching Cuba were boarded, submarines depth-charged. So. America allies were warned to prepare for war, Robert Kennedy saying "The expectation was military confrontation by Tuesday, and possibly tomorrow". We told them "If you leave, it is unlikely we will have to invade". They said "Okay". (see for yourself at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis) ..But my point here is: If Russia, No. Korea, Iran, ..had this pic to the left, ..if they had his statements of disgrace to America, ..Would they still believe we would, in fact, defend America? I believe they would surely call our bluff! ..and that kills a lot of people.

Smokin' Joe:

I agree with you about Obama, Cal. No argument here.

Looking4answers:

Guys, crack a history book. It will do you some good.

Smokin' Joe:

tog, why the sarcasm?

CalCarp:

Thanks Joe, ..Thank you for not Aid-ing Obama (..Our nation appreciates you!)

Looking4answers:

I usually argue fact and interpretation of evidence, at least I usually lead off doing so- I'm entitled to indulge in sarcasm from time to time, especially when people side step the evidence I bring into the conversation.

CalCarp:

..what evidence did you bring, Toggy? ..I must have missed it.

Looking4answers:

The fact that Kennedy had to capitulate to the demands of the Soviet Union to resolve the Cuban Missile crisis.

CalCarp:

You are welcome to live in whatever substitute fantasy world you enjoy, Poke-Tog, ..you live in America, ..go ahead, .."believe". Some day, though, ..try the real life, ..you may find out it is not so fearsome, and in fact, living in reality can bring a feel of pride to the soul. I mean that. Good luck.

Looking4answers:

Uh, thanks?

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