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Cemil

What does a diamond mean to a woman? Is it a security, a proof, an attachment, self-esteem,... ?

Dazzling, yes. Shining yes. How else can you describe diamonds?Are diamonds really forever? Could they be "out" some day (like fur on similar humanitarian grounds)? Could diamonds become a no-no item for women & men of good-faith, self-respect and humane reach & touch? No offense to anyone, but only a naive question - I hear some of you complaining... "just before the mother's day weekend Cemil?" :)Knowing that Lord has not meant any natural value in diamonds (except for shredding all other materials) ; I see of no inherent common "good" (utility) in them for most part of Nature.
Booboo:

Raise your hand if you say you like diamonds solely because of how pretty they are. And not because of 1) the monetary value or 2) the hardness, such as to use as a drill bit.

If your hand is raised, you should be just as happy with someone giving you a gift with a well-made cubic zirconium crystal.

My guess is that few people realize how strongly they are affected by the subconscious desire to have expensive things, prized by society, and status symbols.

Willow:

wow... that is a really good answer RedSectorA...

Cemil:

I could not have said it better

Booboo:

thank you. :)

Booboo:

Precious metals on the other hand, can make a difference (thin platings over a cheaper interior can chip, and the other choice, a solid cheaper metal piece, can cause reactions on sensitive skin--or so they say).

Doug39:

I don't think they'll go out on some humanitarian reason, like furs. PETA doesn't care if diamond trees are cut to produce diamonds ;-)

Seriously though, our system of values is messed up, anyway. Diamonds, golds, etc. are worthless in terms of supporting life, and they are VERY expensive, whereas water, which is "necessary" for live is dirt cheap.

Cemil:

Diamonds are not grown on trees and it takes a good deal of inhuman bloody effort to dig them up. The artisanship can't launder it clean.

Yoyo:

I think they were kidding when they said Diamond trees; I think most people know they are extradited from volcano
activity.

Doug39:

Yoyo, I don't think Cecil is up to speed with emoticons, or may be I should have preficed my comment with <sarcasm pending>, or something. Diamond trees, ha, ha, ha,... I should have tried to sell him that bridge, too... You know, the one in NY, ROFL

Imponderables:

Hi Cemil! I think God made diamonds.. so I'm happily staring at my gift from hubby and GOD.. that he had to save up for 6 months for! Guess I am selfish, but.. I am a woman!

I'm not complaining, in the least about your Q! For mothers day, I got a cute pottery bowl, with a snake it in, all shalacked, and painted. Just glad it wasn't another macaroni necklace.. oh, and more artwork for the fridge! =)

Yeah all the karma talk and not taking it with me, is dead on! I plan to give it to my son when he is a MAN, as an anniversary gift, to celebrate the years of wedded bliss for his and his bride. Really, .. I'm just admiring God's handiwork.. constantly! =)

Cemil:

Hi Imponderables,

I agree with your feelings and assesment.

And it is so true that God made diamonds - but only as a gem stone hidden deep in rocks under pile of dirt.

And it is not the gem itself we cherish and find dazzling and beautiful.

A diamond becomes what it is only after it is cut and shaped. So it is the form, the shape and the strength we adore and worship. It is the artisanship that goes into it which makes a diamond of top value.

So in appreciation of all the hardship that goes into bringing the gem stone to sunlight and giving it that eternal shape, we reward our selves and indulge in that gleaming shine.

Nice to know that you have few many macaroni necklaces probably worth more than all the diamonds in the world since it is your son's hands that made them and only for you...

Happy mothers' day Imponderables.

Imponderables:

TY Cemil.. but please do not assume that I value the ring above the macaroni necklaces.. quite frankly it is the value my hubby determined (not I) that allowed me to appreciate his measure of the gem, that God so graciously treasured those of us to recognize that glam, gleam and glitter.

Oh, boy! Do I love glitter! I also appreciate the stong carver, the polisher,, just as much in bringing forth the beauty of such a clouded stone, .. therefore displaying it in a suited light.

Would we not recnogize the Mona Lisa, if it were painted by a lesser recognized artist? Was it not a commissioned piece to be admired,, did God not inspire the craft/skill or the artasan?

No argument my friend, but I admire the pearl, that flourishes from a grand of sand to a wonderous and lusterious globe, over time! As well as my special gifts, that are crafted and in recognition of that bond between mother and child. Yes, I have ever necklace, every piece of artwork,... but .. I also have diamonds and pearls.. and.. I appreciate them all the same,, for they mean the same from each giver! Be well Cemil! TY for the Mother's Day wishes! Means so very much to me! ;o)

Jen:

Personally, I think diamonds are beautiful not because they are expensive but because of how they look. However I think sooo many stones and gems are gorgeous and to me, even the cheapest stone is precious because it's the 'thought' that truly counts.

I've never really been able to understand why people have huge Karats on their fingers that are worth a few thousand and more! Some people have told me, it's not the money it's the actual piece but yet they don't want it if it's not worth a fortune. I dunno :)

Jen:

It sounds like I contradicted myself there, however; the difference between me and others that want expensive diamonds, I don't want them ... I like jewelry that has thought behind it, not 'can I please kiss your @ss' :p

I actually make jewelry with many semi-precious stones etc, hence why I like the idea behind the pieces rather than the cost :)

Yoyo:

I agree with you totally; give me an antique handed down that might be monetarily worthless and I would wear it over
expensive gems; any day of the week.
Look at my comment; agree?

Jen:

I love handed down jewelry, I wear it with pride. My niece made me a wire ring once and I loved it so much. It's things like that, that make me smile :)

The Oracle:

Simple: It's the hardest thing she will ever have.

Cemil:

it can't be cut or shredded or abrased easily you mean because of the molecular structure otherwise it can burn well just like a coal much easier than steel or iron or any other metal.
so its strength is not in its sturdiness I guess but in the inten and image.

CowboyBebop:

Well to this woman Cecil, it means nothing, the only diamond I ever received was the one I got on my finger when I got married, other than that gift certificates do nicely .... :)

CowboyBebop:

have you seen Blood Diamond Cecil?

Cemil:

No I have not been and probably I won't. My point is not a political cause at all. I just don't like men/women creating new forms of idolatry and thats it. Putting too much power in a concept that does not replicate Lord's will seems like an integrity loophole and probably an indecency to me. No offense to anyone.

CowboyBebop:

I did not mention Blood Diamond as a political sticking point Cemil, but rather the point why I just don't value such things and Blood Diamond is just one more reason to validate my way of thinking, beautiful things at the expense of human suffering ... :)

Ragoon:

they are worth a lot of money. It's all about money

Yoyo:

I think the fact that so many prople assume they are rare even though there is an abundance of diamonds(one company controls them so they can inflate costs as they deem).
Personally, I feel women enjoy gems as a whole and the popularity is what dictates their choice.

Yoyo:

people,that is

Jen:

Agree :)

Agave:

I diamond is part of my wedding ring..It is a symbol of my love from our wedding vows..But you can't take it with you when you die so it is just a material item that we carry with us..It is the meaning of what the ring stands for rather then the diamond gem that is mounted on a band..

Cemil:

So, we impart/store "meaning" into an item which is of no natural value. Why? That's what I find hard to understand.

OK, a computer also has no natural value but it has abundance of simplicity for making life easier for many of us.

What has a diamond got to offer except for the psyhological treasure and ease of mind it offers for women and thus to their beloved lovers alike? Is it just to show Nature how strong and determined we are and how we smash its values?

Or are you saying that had it not been for the diamonds we could be paying more on the drugs and tranquilizers and psychosomatics alike?

Good points. A symbol of eternal value could last forever...

Sighted:

I like diamonds. Yes, I am spoiled. My husband loves me a lot and he enjoys giving me beautiful things. I don't have them because they are worth a lot of money. It isn't a status symbol for me. Honestly if I never got a diamond it wouldn't have really mattered.

Cemil:

sunygrl,

I am perfectly happy with your choices and feelings. Just a friendly advice from an ex-banker who learned a lot about value and investments. Please consider putting your savings aside for a piece of land anywhere.

Maybe you won't wear it on yourfinger but then again it is the only true natural treasure that will last forever even long after mankind is gone.

SovieTAviator:

I DEPENDS WHO IT COMES FROM GLASS FROM THE RIGHT PERSON COULD MEAN MORE THAN A DIAMOND FROM THE WRONG ONE.

Willow:

"How else can you describe diamonds?"

In a word: Overrated. (that is to me).

People are fickle...and diamonds have not always been the token of affluence and/or enduring love that they are now (in some parts of the world). Trends come and trends go, I reckon that diamonds will eventually be replaced by another "must have" status/affection symbol.

But I am not knocking people who are enamored of diamonds. I look at the neighbors yards as I drive by, and I wonder what certain plants are...and where could I find them? And I look at plant combinations that are striking...and think that I want that too!! It is human nature to follow the herd, to do as the herd does...and God forbid that we be individuals--, that we be different!

Sometimes I think, as I look at the price of luxury items... if we took all the money that people spend on luxuries and the diamond wearing herd... that we could put a dent in world hunger.

Then I look at the plants in my flower gardens, and I think, if we took all the money that people spend on plants and keeping up with the gardening herd...we could put a dent in world hunger...

So, after stating that affluence is quite subjective, I will add that in response to " Could diamonds become a no-no item for women & men of good-faith, self-respect and humane reach & touch? "

Almost everything is a symbol of indulgence to someone...and is subject to the whims and the conscience' of anyone...at anytime...

nice question my friend... :-)

Cemil:

It is 'nature to follow the herd'. So beautifully put.

Those who can afford to bear the consequences, leave the herd and start a new destiny and become the owner and the controller of their new destiny (part of what I call Future Management) , the rest don't own any destiny, they have alread 'donated' it to the herd. - The way Adam/Eve did, the way Abraham/Sarah/Hagar did, the way Moses/Jews did, the way Jesus/Apostles did, the way

But then again, after a while, all good things start to attract a herd of followers dulling the glitter of the inspiration and depleting the differentiation enthusiasm and thereafter good fades soon. What a shame...

Cemil:

to set the record straight to avoid any misunderstanding:

Those who can afford to bear the consequences, leave the herd and start a new destiny and become the owner and the controller of their new destiny (part of what I call Future Management) - The way Adam/Eve did, the way Abraham/Sarah/Hagar did, the way Moses/Jews did, the way Jesus/Apostles did - and the way others go? ... well, the rest don't own any destiny, they have alread 'donated' it to the herd.

Cemil:

Is diamond an addiction?

Cemil:

A societal addiction?

Willow:

A herd addiction Cemil?Yep, I agree. Whatever catches the attention of the masses, and as the trend goes, the money goes--follows. So, I wonder what determines how long a trend lasts? If a diamond as a sign of enduring love and of forever, and of a financial status has endured for quite a while...how much longer you reckon? And, do more expensive trends last longer?

Hmm, my friend, just more questions... :-)

Shortgame:

It's true diamonds do not emamate love. But it is a status symbol, and also, since it does cost so much, it is a man's way of showing the woman that there are "no boundaries".....even monetary boundaries, that will state his love. There's nothing like the feeling of flashing that carat to friends, on both ends. You would be more likely to get accepted by your Mother in law and the family in general....making you're life a whole lot easier.

So there is more to a diamond than meets the eye.

Cemil:

"it is a status symbol, and also, since it does cost so much, it is a man's way of showing the woman that there are "no boundaries".....even monetary boundaries, that will state his love. There's nothing like the feeling of flashing that carat to friends, on both ends. You would be more likely to get accepted by your Mother in law and the family in general....making you're life a whole lot easier."

Is love for sale really Elaine?

If a man buys a woman ten times more expensive gifts, should a woman agree that the man is more in love with her?

Is only rich capable of living then?

Would poor not be able to afford love?

How convenient is it then to buy your way into love?

Cemil:

Is only rich capable of loving (and thus living) then?

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