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J!!

If teachers were paid millions of dollars would the quality or content of education change?

Should it change? What does that say about society if it would have an impact on the quality of teaching? Would students graduating today be different people than students who were taught by society's economic elite?
TheRosePhantom:

Not on the whole. It may in certain situations but the teaching isn't the only part of of the classroom. Learning on the part of the students is the other variable. This is an environmental variable. If the student isn't motivated, if the parents aren't involved, etc., plays into the equation.

Freddycat:

Money is not a motivator in any profession BUT a person should be paid for the years of university study and the responsibilities of their job. Wouldn't you say that tending to and teaching another persons child is a rather large responsibility? Attempting to nurture and foster good citizens is paramount to a healthy country and society? It cost as much for a teaching degree as it does for an engineering degree.

TheRosePhantom:

I agree that teachers should be paid according to their skill level and responsibility. But increases in pay wouldn't guarantee the quality of education would increase as the question asks.

J!!:

Hi, Energyman :) You are right -- student motivation and the value parents place on an education are important factors. Let's assume that both of these are positive, the student wants to learn and the parents are supportive. Our teachers make one million dollars a year (imaginary scenario, let's not worry about how we'll pay them, just assume they are). Do you think that having teachers from a different socio-economic class than they are now would have an impact on the things they emphasized or focused on in the classrooms? Would their world perspectives change and would this produce a different result in the students? What do you think?

Eddie:

No. In fact some areas where the pay is lower than average, the teaching is better. (based on entrance exam scores to colleges as well as my own observations of my children) We lived in an area with high pay for teachers and my children were academically ahead when we moved there, but were way behind when we moved to a new state with average teacher salaries. They learned very little there compared to other places we have lived.
Interestingly enough, the state with the dumdum schools is rated high in national surveys in part because of high pay for teachers. I would suggest another better rating system would be entrance exams to colleges.

J!!:

Hi, Yobabe :) I have experienced exactly what you are describing. Thank you for sharing that observation, because I think it is a valuable one. What do you think about higher pay (the example of millions of dollars in our imaginary scenario) somehow changing the socio-economic societal perspective of teachers and in turn having an impact on how materials are presented? Do you think there would be emphasis on different things? I wonder about that sometimes ...

You made some good points. Thanks, Yobabe :)

Kevhav1:

Hey LP!!!!
Not millions of dollars...but a decent pay would be enough.
Paying more than that can cause problems to some...

J!!:

Hi, Murdoc :) What kind of problems would you foresee?

ZenDisaster:

The higher pay would attract more higher skilled people to consider the profession. Teachers are not in their profession for the pay - not that money is not important but if they wanted a higher paid job, they wouldn't have chosen that field.

You also have to consider that they don't work year round and have good retirement benefits which the private sector lacks.

J!!:

Hi, RazzOne :) You are right -- more pay would probably attract a different (or additional) subset of potential teachers. This is really at the heart of my question: do you think that different subset, whether they be attracted by the lure of big $$ or by their passion for teaching, would present material to students any differently if their socio-economic status in society was drastically different than it is now? If millionaires taught all of the students, would they present material from the same perspective?

Nacnudrium:

I would think not, they get paid as well as the average American, get better benefits etc and do not have the caring that they had when I was a child.

Also, they send soo much homework for me as a parent to help my child out, I almost deserve a paycheck.

Eddie:

right on! I don't remember having homework until 4th or 5th grade. My kindergarten grandchild has as much as 38 pages of homework at night. Ridiculous!

Freddycat:

Typically homework is nothing more than work their lazy children refused to complete in class. Or it could be enrichment work to attempt to help the child progress. Of course the problem with lazy children is actually their lazy parents.

J!!:

Hi, Mele :) My daughter actually has far less homework than I did growing up, and this alarms me. I don't think a kindergarten child should have 38 pages of homework, but I do think there is something to be gained from enrichment work at home that is done by the student and not the parent. I have also seen teachers that fit your description though -- this past year my daughter's biology teacher liked to give homework for material that she hadn't even taught yet. This made no sense to me. I don't mind helping with homework, but at least teach and expose them to what you are sending home, you know? Thanks, Mele :)

Freddycat:

To those people that think teachers get paid about right lets have a math class.
At the very least they babysit your kids for 7 hours a day, the average class size is around 20 students. What do YOU pay a babysitter? Let's say 5 bucks an hour.
$5.00 * 20 =$100.00 per hour *7 = $700.00 per day *5 days = $3,500.00 per week *4 weeks = $14,000.00 per month
Now this simply covers the babysitting charge, would you like to talk about the value added costs for teaching your rude, unrefined children how to act in public? Something a HUGE majority of parents cannot seem to do. Then we come to the meat and potatoes of education, actually providing YOUR children with the opportunity to learn something other than the video games and television they spend hours with at home.
I think you are getting a real bargain and IF the teaching profession were to be overwhelmingly male dominated do you think the average salary for a highly educated professional would start at the average of 30K per year?

J!!:

Woohoo! Hot and spicy beans today! I love it! I have thoughts on this and will be back later to comment ... good to see you here, Beans :) I welcome your perspective on these questions.

Sir:

i agree in some cases (actually in many) teaching (even at highschool) has turned to babysitting to some extent but i disagree that they don't get paid enough.

J!!:

Hi, Beans :) I agree that many of our classrooms have degenerated into daycares because of behavioral issues that are not addressed at home. And I also agree that no teacher is paid enough to do their job and a parent's job at the same time. Let's say the students were well-behaved and the teacher was paid a million dollars a year (imaginary scenario -- let's not think about how they would be paid and all of that). Do you think that a teacher from that socio-economic perspective would present material differently than a typical teacher one would find today? Would that have an impact on what things the teacher thought were most valuable and important to teach the students? What is your opinion?

Cris:

What ever the wage is now, it's not enough to teach people two basics, reading and math. I also agree that home environment has a profound effect on children's lives. I've worked in Social Services and as assistant librarian at a local grade school. The school's blame the parent's. The parent's blame the school. I've heard it from both sides. We should all be ashamed for not holding up our children. Parent's and Teachers, shame on us all.

J!!:

I agree with you that education is a joint responsibility between the schools, the parents and the students. Parents have the biggest influence over whether their children will respect and value the education they receive. Everyone likes to point fingers, but no one really seems to want to make a significant change. Thank you for answering my question, PS :)

Pete:

I do think we would have higher quality teachers if the pay was better. I've known lots of people who were good teachers who left the profession because the pay was so poor. Plus, the tenure system really makes it difficult to get rid of bad teachers. I've had kids in school for a long time now and have seen my share of very good, dedicated teachers and very poor teachers who didn't even seem to like kids! There really has to be a better way.

Freddycat:

Tenure does not guarantee a teacher employment for life, it only provides the protection of due process concerning termination. Prior to receiving tenure the new teacher is either invited back to the same school or not at the pleasure of the administration. The administration does not need to provide any reason what so ever. Post tenure, just like any other union job, the administration must provide reasons why the teacher will be terminated. This could include poor performance or inappropriate behavior either at school or away from the job.

Pete:

No you're right, tenure isn't a guarantee of employment, but it does make it hard to get rid of those who are only so-so but don't do anything really wrong. It makes it easier for those who are less motivated to skate along.

J!!:

Hi, Boxermom :) It does make it hard for anyone to stay in a particular profession if you can't make ends meet for your family. What do you think about this? If teachers were paid millions of dollars like pro athletes (forget the hows and whys of our imaginary scenario), they would presumably be in a different income bracket and their societal perspectives might change. Do you think this change in economic status and/or societal perspective would have any impact on how they presented the material they were teaching and what things they decided to focus on with the students? Would it cause them to see the world through different eyes and therefore communicate a different education to our children?

Ellepants.0001:

come they would have too much money to go on vacation over and over again c'mon shelly ...c'mon!!!

J!!:

Hi, Witz! I'm happy to see you here :) Do you think that if teachers were generally from a wealthier class (due to being paid millions of dollars in our imaginary scenario) that the content of what they taught and the emphasis they placed on certain subject matter and the focus and perspective of their teaching would change in any way? Do you think this would be a positive or negative change?

Sir:

they would probably hire someone with that pay n relax lolerskates.

Sir:

As for money, i think teaching itself is a well paid profession. In college, comparatively you don't have to pay that high for being a teacher & there are lots of scholarship for those who want to be in teaching profession. After one becomes a teacher, you can get insurance, benefit and all those stuffs which u would might not get in private jobs.

Most teachers complain that teaching is a low paid job but is there any other profession where u get summer vacation? spring? sat & sunday off? My high school ( high school just sounds like yesterday) English teacher used say that, as a reporter of newspaper he earned double that what he earns today, but as a teacher he has double vacation than what he used to have, plus "teaching is ur world"....there is less chance of making mistakes in high school stuff by a college graduate. Not only that, some of da teacher i knew, were studying to get their masters degree...they work at school on weekdays and go take classes on weekends...after that their salary can increase....and they might get chance to teach IB, AP, and honor classes. Not to say that, many of the teachers do work part time job....coz they have free time.

Sir:

"no similar questions are ever found to the questions i ask., why is that? "


coz u are special n so is ur question...unique ;)

J!!:

Hi, Rudra! I am special in a mental sort of way sometimes ... lol ;)

You bring up good points. One of my best friends is a teacher (for almost 30 years) and I have other acquaintances who are teachers, as well. My good friend is able to sustain an art and music career while she teaches during the school year. Many of her other friends do that also. You are right -- teaching does come with some huge non-monetary advantages that other professions do not offer.

But what about the content of what they teach? For example, if teachers were paid millions of dollars, this would obviously put them into a different income bracket and would presumably have some effect on their perspectives of society, history, economics, culture, etc. (Don't the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy usually have a difference of opinion over what is important in the world?) Do you think that this shift in perspective would have any impact on what they taught, how they presented it, and how they guided the youth in their charge?

SovieTAviator:

NO IT'S LIKE PAYING CHILDREN TO TAKE TESTS NOT VERY EFFECTIVE

J!!:

Hi, Sully! Which tests do we pay our children to take? I'm sure my daughter would like to sign up for those ;) Thanks, Sully!

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