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BLUE CAFE

Is Capitalism & the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey talking of the same thing?

The Satanic Bibles basic tenet is "Might is Right", let the weak perish & the strong get stronger - same as Capitalism.It also states that Envy, greed & ambition are great motivators without which nothing would get accomplished - same as Capitalism.Could Capitalism be closer to Satanism than its atheist sibling Communism?
Bewitched:

A very interesting comparison, indeed! Yes, they sound very similar to me.

BLUE CAFE:

Thanks Blixa. So it's not just me ;)

Eddie:

Betcha you went to public schools. and not too long ago, either.

BLUE CAFE:

Are you contributing to the discussion or is that a personal slur?

Eddie:

no. it is a sad comment about how communistic our schools have become.

Bewitched:

yobabe, it has nothing to do with the school system. I went to school here in America. They do not promote communism. I just tend to form my own opinion based on knowledge that I have and facts I am given.

Eddie:

from what I hear they do. They certainly don't teach democracy.

Gbob_north:

No true Satanist would bother telling another person the right way to be a Satanist. They claim not to live just to spite a god they claim not to believe in...where did the stories of Satan come from? The Satanic bible was an example of what a Satanist is SUPPOSED to do, make a false religion to spite god and get rewarded by the sales, as self righteous mother's groups buy their books just to burn them, thus gaining the ire of youths and turning more from the god they claim not to believe in...it's a self defeating genious really.

BLUE CAFE:

It's a very interesting idea on Satanism & indeed the publishing of the book & it's sales. Interesting indeed.
But the question is, does what the book promote closely mirror the ideals of Capitalism. One of the main inspiration for the book was Ayn Rand, an avid capitalist. The question is, are there similarities in both philosophies?

Eddie:

Nope!

BLUE CAFE:

It's easy to say nope - Could you give me an explanation?

Eddie:

yes.
Capitalism means you can work and your efforts will be rewarded. Capitalism rewards hard work and creativity, as well as invention. Capitalist countries can and do give more to other countries in need of food or other help. Capitalism creates wealth and jobs for the middle class and the poor. Capitalism means all people should have the same opportunities.
Communism takes away a person's self-esteem because there is no opportunity to excell or even care adequately for their loved ones. Communism creates poverty. Communism prevents invention and progress. Communism destroys the middle class, and leaves only the destitue on the bottom, and the government biggies on the top who feed off the enslavement of the poor. It is a recipe for failure. Every single time. It has never done otherwise in known history.

BLUE CAFE:

Why didn't you put that as your answer? Much better than 'nope'

BLUE CAFE:

But actually, your answer didn't really deal with the question at hand. While you gave a good defense of Capitalism against communism, the question is whether Satanic cornerstones mirror those of capitalism. I can see parallels here.
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To me, the tenets of Capitalism are much closer to those of the type of Satanism Lavey was expounding; that of a darwinian market & basically law of the jungle economics.

Eddie:

sometimes you have to get out of dream mode, and look at results.
Communism enslaves people. Communism is the result of power-mad people. Communism is the closest to your Satanic religion. I have not heard those principles taught in either governing style; but clearly see it in the results of communist rule.

BLUE CAFE:

Actually, I'm not meaning to focus on communism. I'm not a great fan of the system. My interest is (once again...) in the similarity between the tenets in the Satanic Bible & those of Capitalism.
Take Ayn Rand, one of the greatest proponents of laissez faire Capitalism. Her writings inspired the Satanic Bible according to Lavey, the author. Capitalism is driven by individual greed & desire & ambition. This is what the Satanic Bible also states as drivers of innovation & accomplishment.
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My point is the two are very similar in tenet. Without the fulfillment of individual desire & ambition, Capitalism is nothing. This is what the Satanic Bible also promotes.

RES:

No capitalism is reality , and there are many laws on how to be a good capitalist in the Bible.

BLUE CAFE:

Capitalism is one reality.
Please expand on your answer.
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My understanding of the Bible (and I am a great follower of the teachings of Christ) is that it is quite anti Capitalist.
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A poor woman who gives a little is greater than a rich man who gives a lot, whereas in Capitalism, a lot is far greater than a little. This is a basic tenet of Capitalism & mirrors that of the writings in the Satanic Bible.
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It is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than for him to enter the Kingdom of God.
The Satanic Bible speaks of Might is right, whereas the Bible speaks of The meek shall inherit the earth. Right now the mighty capitalists are inheriting the earth in a very real way, by purchasing it right down to genome patents, so it seems Capitalism is much closer to the writings of the Satanic Bible than the teachings of Christ. This much is obvious.
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Over & over, Christ's message is one of poverty, meekness & turning away from the riches of the world. This is what Lavey rallies against in the Satanic Bible by saying that strength, not meekness is right. Are our capitalist heads meek or powerful?
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Finally, Anton Lavey, author of Satanic Bible pays tribute to Ayn Rand, fierce proponent of Capitalism for his inspiration in writing the book.

Eddie:

Communism has murdered entire villages. (Russia, The killing fields, there's more of course) Is that not closer to the Satanic Bible than Capitalism is?
Capitalism allows people to reach their full potential. There is nothing wrong with wanting to acquire wealth. It depends on what you want it for: to hurt or to bless humanity. Without somebody having wealth, there'd be no help in catastrophies, fighting epidemics etc.
Of course you will believe what you want, regardless of logic.

BLUE CAFE:

Capitalism has murder millions of Communist Indonesians under the Suharto regime so its not like we have two shiny sides here.
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But lets not let this get side tracked into Communism. It's about the Satanic Bible & a comparison to Capitalism

BLUE CAFE:

Look up Suharto - Anti Communist purge

Eddie:

It's okay. I'll take your word for it. But what about all the communists that butcher their own people? Bet it's been many more deaths than Suharto.

Eddie:

Let's call a truce. You obviously hate capitalism and I hate communism. Neither of us will change the other's mind. I wish you could have had a good education not available to the public since somewhere in the 60's.

Eddie:

I mean by that that I wish you had been taught the constitution and the Federalist Papers to understand how noble and good the plans were -- that every man could enjoy freedom and reap the benefits of his work with none to hurt or destroy. It is the best form of government that the people may vote for what they want.
Unfortunately, a democracy can only last 200 yrs max before someone figures out they can get elected and hold power by promising freebies to the people. Then it starts to crumble slowly but surely into the dust, to be replaced by dictators with only their own lust for power and dominion over the slaves they have created with their freebies.
They'll let people vote. Like in Iraq when every single voter voted and it was always unanymous for Sadaam. Who can possibly believe that was the will of the people?
It's coming. Then everyone will understand what all they have lost.

BLUE CAFE:

But you're still railroading the question. Again (YAWWNN.....)
This is not about Communism, it is about the similarity between Capitalism & Lavey's Satanic Bible.
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Can you give an answer on this or are you simply using communism as a distraction so as not to answer the question? Ahh, Let me rephrase, you are using communism as a distraction so as to not answer the question.
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Once more, Does Capitalism closely resemble the tenets of the Satanic verses. No answer? Thought not. You just rabbit on your distraction. Once we get past this point, then we can discuss the constitution et al. Until then...

Bewitched:

How to be a good capitalist in the Bilble? Please enlighten me on where this can be found, 4right.

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