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CalCarp

Isn't the choice really between capitalism and war? ..Isn't capitalism the fundamental "democracy"?

With capitalism, if I see something I need, I buy it, or if the price is too high, I build it myself.With socialism, a committee is elected or appointed, to make such decisions for me and everyone.If the committee decides the price is too high, they take it.Isn't that the birth of war?Isn't an "fluid-Constitution" socialism the most undemocratic, anti-social, governing structure of all?Does Liberty belong to the individual, or to the majority opinion? ...What is the best balance?
CalCarp:

Let's do a check, shall we?
Pick several "wars": WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Suez, Nicaragua, Falklands, Cuba, Kosovo, Tibet, Turkey, Timor, North Ireland, Watts, Jerusalem, Chicago, ..How many wars are due to a disagreement in price of a commodity? ..How many due to a disagreement on some assumed "right"?
Perhaps the Suez Canal war was the only fight over price?

Lovely:

LOL! When did capitalism play a part in Vietnam-the Suez Canal-the Falklands-Cuba-Tibet etc and most any country where there was no capitalism that financed these countries governments? Socialists, communists, dictators and other non capitalistic regimes were in power when many of these places went to war with their neighbors and others in the vicinty. Was Stalin or Hitler or Mussolini capitalists. No they were not-yet they were reponsible for the war in Europe which caused the whole world to participate in their scheme if the rest of the worfld was to retain their freedom.

I think your rant is total BS and without a speck of substance or fact to support it.

CalCarp:

Well, now, .."Blade", ..You and I have a great separation.
For one, I would never make a head wrap out of my nation's ensign.
Secondly, I feel we must speak separate languages, because I find it very hard to understand any point you are trying to make. Did my question make it through to you? ..Do you think the all too-common bashing of capitalism as "the source of all evil in the world" makes sense? ..and do you think this recent call to socialism (Obama) is really the answer to "world peace"?
Lastly, ..I don't swear and name call, ..that is way too weak for me.
Try real strength, ..make a point, and defend it.

Lovely:

You don't swear and name call-but you surely allude to the negative concerning someone's loyalty-and then you deny that freedom is purchased through strength and sacrifices. If it wasn't for the patriot who wears the uniform of his country-you would be speaking either German or Japanese or both at this time!

CalCarp:

Thank you for respecting the flag from your previous picture ("avatar").
Let's hope that responsibility will catch-on with ALL Americans.
In return, I will apologize for not making myself clearer:
I am a "small government", show-me-the-price, I'll-do-it-myself, tend-your-own-garden, pay-as-you-go type of American.
I don't need you, and you don't need me, ..but if you just want help for a bit, ask nicely and I'll give you what I can.
Taking care of myself, gives me my best liberty, and I don't need a gun for that.
I use a hammer, a shovel, and a cement trowel.
I'm doing fine, so far, hope you are too.

Studentcredit:

great question!!!! liberty or the individualism of liberty is felt in the hearts of the people of the nation. but the true nature of freedom is an ideal, there is no pure form of freedom in place. there are still laws that govern how your liberty can be used. the laws limit the singular freedoms and gear it more towards the whole.
the balance then lies in the mind of the individual. whether he/she feels that they are truly free as a person of the nation. everyone's balance may be different...that in itself is a freedom.

CalCarp:

I do agree, that it is an "ideal" capitalism which will patiently wait until all "price negotiations" are complete, ..or will peacefully walk away from an unagreeable price, ..but so what, we are talking ideals here, and true Capitalism is not the ogre under the bridge, .it is cheaters!! (..Wall Streeters!! ..lol)

CalCarp:

Liberty is the opportunity to fulfill that for which you are intended. Neither Liberty nor Freedom are "ideas" only, ..the notion that they are "only an idea" is a very slippery slope, a notion sold to you by someone hoping to control you.
The fulfillments of the individual, and the fulfillments of the social, can be sorted and separated. Perhaps it is the confusing, and conflating of these arenas which produces the "frictions".
I don't want a share of your income, ..but I will ask you not to mow your front lawn at midnight!

Lovely:

Liberty doesn't necessarily belong to the individual, it belongs to the strong. Liberty was bought and paid for by the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, and Marine. Liberty is a gift that has to be earned and protected or we will lose it.

Sunni:

You got my vote.

Glenda:

Ditto,

CalCarp:

not mine! ..If you have to protect your "liberty" with a gun, ..it is not a liberty. Does a burglar with a gun have "liberty" to my television? Liberty goes deeper, ..and can not depend upon a gun. Liberty is a decision, ..that needs no gun. Did Patrick Henry need a gun to say "Give me liberty or give me death"? No, he just said it. And had he been hung from a noose, ..would he have retained his "Liberty"? (..Yes! ..He would have, and he would have been proud.)
Liberty is the essence of "individual"! ..and the responsibility of the individual to them self.

CalCarp:

How does all that figure into the leading question? ..Isn't liberty the "goal" of capitalism? ..Isn't capitalism the best protector of liberty? In fact, isn't strict capitalism the best protector against war??? "If you want it, you have to buy it!"

CalCarp:

..capitalism requires an agreement of value between traders, ..the antithesis of war.

Gray wolf:

CalCarp you suffer from what's called being educated beyond your intelligence.
Liberty is the protector of capitalism and the military is the protector of your liberty.
Without liberty there would be no capitalism.

CalCarp:

Why do you say I suffer, Gabby? ..I feel no pain it's just a point being made: Capitalism does not cause war, ..a FAILURE of capitalism causes war.
War is brought when some group does not want to pay, ..or when they desire an item which can not be bought: The liberty of others.
Yes, liberty and capitalism are symbionts, protective of each other like brother and sister.
The absence of liberty, is the goal of socialism.
Socialism prefers equality to liberty.
I'd rather be poor and free, than chained and equal.

Lovely:

Patrick Henry also commented CalCarp. "Is life so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?"
It is the soldier with the gun who purchased the liberty for Patrick Henry and for all the rest of us.
Patrick Henry finished his speech by remarking-" I know not waht course others may take-but as for me Give me Liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry like all our founding father's knew that liberty was never free and a heavy price made of sacrifice must always be paid to keep us free and liberated.

CalCarp:

Okay, knife, we get it, ..you like guns and weapons! you believe the world turns at the point of a rifle, and all social decisions are made upon the fear of imminent death. Zo-wee!
Quick, run out and shoot somebody! ..make the world a better place!
But what does all the "blaze" have to do with the effects of capitalism versus socialism in the antagonisms of the world?
Please explain your position on that, ..or explain why they both should be ignored, and all future attentions given totally to the handing out of guns!
By the way, ..will we have to pay for those rifles out of our pockets? ..or will they be supplied free-of-charge by Congress (..paid for by "taxes on the rich")?

Lovely:

Talk about bouncing around the subject! You brought up guns before anyone else mentioned them and now you want to accuse others of being killers because they believe the country cannot exist without a strong well armed military. You are a mess cal carp! LOL!

CalCarp:

I bounce not! ..and I reject your claim that I ever spoke against defense of country or individual liberty.
I asked a question which compared the current furor to embrace socialism as a panacea of global strife. I asked whether socialism, or the now denigrated bastard-child of the industrial revolution, capitalism, has actually been responsible for more worldwide suffering and death.
You seemed to want to turn the topic to your own belief that all wars are fought to protect "Liberty" (..of whom who could not pin down) and that the only thing that keeps humanity worthwhile is a gun and a fight.
I don't mind fighting, ..but I will not (I hope) ever punch somebody for a parking space at Home Depot.
And I do believe that Liberty is something more than a Stanley Cup, or a gold ring which is to be continually fought over, ..and "bounces around" like a soccer ball.
I have my liberty, ..and I have fought for it.
I do not own a gun, but I did once carry one for America.

CalCarp:

..but that is not my point here!
Do you not agree that capitalism may be called the "democracy of the dollar"?
We look at each other, and set our prices, assigning a value to our work and our wants.
What could be more democratic?
If we don't have everything that we want, do we work harder to get it? ..do we reassess our priorities and agree to be happy without it? ..or do we claim that good is our right and take it by force?
Acceptance of agreed upon price versus taking it as "my right", ..is the difference I am suggesting is a critical difference between capitalism and socialism.
I prefer the agreements of capitalism, as I bet ol' Governor Henry, and Ms. Liberty would as well.
P.s., ..these Wall Street "subsidies" will only prolong our coming winter.

Gray wolf:

The choice is not between Capitalism and war. Capitalist countries go to war the same as socialist countries and for some of the same reasons. The balance is what we have in America. We are not a pure capitalist country nor a pure socialist country.

CalCarp:

I disagrrrrrrree, ..whether it is gold, oil, timber, olives, whatever, ..a capitalistic nation will either buy it or not. The decision is founded upon price.
A socialist nation will have decided whether or not it has a RIGHT to that neighbor's resource, ..and either "stand up for their right to take it", ..or not.
The decision is based on a feeling of "right", ..not agreement of price.
Unbalanced opinions of "rights" bring more wars than "frustrated price negotiations".

Lovely:

So if we get rid of Capitalism-we will have found the solution to eliminating war. LOL! You live in a pipe dream of some strange mixture CalCarp.

CalCarp:

No! ..not elimination!! ..Like "friction" in an engine, ..friction between people, and nations, ..is inevitable. What we desire is a reduction of friction/War. If goods and resources are traded based upon the "What is it worth to you?" principle, ..and that "worth" is measured in dollars (capitalism) rather than some decision of "my rights" (socialism), ..I believe frictions are reduced, therefore war is reduced.

Xtremely:

The first question I would take at task if the statement of "majority opinion", who deems what the majority is and what the opinion or question is to be. Liberty, is the freedom to act or believe without being stopped by unnecessary force as long as it does not hurt or effects others in a harmful way, safety is upmost in a liberty style society. I would agree with you that "socialism is the most undemocratic anti-social, governing structure of all", yes it is! In a socialite society the price is set in a manner by the government and what might be high to one may not be to others, it is proven that even in a socialite society there is no equal for all, for those in control control the results. Capitalism, liberty, a democratic society with all of its short coming is the best for the masses for it allows for others to achieve with out being in control to have what they want. Ones in control in a socialite society can only be replaced by an uprising of the people which brings about war while in a democratic society elections change the future. I would rather have a ballot then a gun to see where my government is going.

CalCarp:

The "majority opinion" is the results of the (honestly conducted) vote. And I believe that is essential, as it is the best-of-all-choices for multi-individual issues.
Perhaps, like States Rights v. Fed Rights, ..majority opinion should only come into play within those areas of "Liberty" where individual rights have not been already been defined.
But this is not a questioning of Individual v. Majority choice, ..this is a vote on "price deciding" capitalism v. "committee deciding" socialism.
Which most honestly adheres to true value in the world?

CalCarp:

In short, capitalism is the "democratic" exchange of goods.
Either you buy it, or you don't.
Socialism is distribution after a choice of ownership is decided upon by a (notoriously frail) human authority figure, whether a committee or a dictator.
(..I'd rather trust that democratic dollar!!)

Xtremely:

i vote for capitalism everyday

CalCarp:

Thank you! ..the motion is seconded!
Free Markets survive!!
"free markets", ..see: Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution (Secs. 9.5, 9.6, 10.2), Woodrow Wilson (Fourteen Points, #3) at end of WW1.
I vote "capitalism" every day I go to work, or don't, ..and every day at the grocery!
I hope this choice is a thing we choose to keep, ..not "change" into forced purchases, and rude taxations.

Gadoon:

Capitalist countries have initiated wars, so the answer to your primary question is no, capitalism or war is a false dichotomy. Second, your definitions of both capitalism and socialism are over-simplified to the point of being polemic nonsense. Third, war is born of conflict between competing goals, those goals may be ecomonic, but many wars have been based on religious goals as well.
No,capitalism is not the 'fundamental democracy' because effective power, authority, representation in a capitalist system is constrained by material wealth. Your premise is inherently false - capitalism is an ecomonic system, democracy is a political system. Neither type of system is defined or established by the other - in other words, more or less any economic system can coexist in the same culture with any policitical system - democracy can coexist with socialism or capitalism, monarchies can coexist with socialism or capitalism, fascism can coexist with socialism or capitalism, and so on.
While some pairings may be more intuitive or more successful, that certainly doesn't support the false assertion that an economic system is a political system.

Gray wolf:

I wished i had not put my two cents in so i could vote for your very informative answer.

CalCarp:

Ah! ..Graywolf has found his leader! ..after he first chose another!! LOL
I stand my ground! ..I choose not to Bicker!!
Economics IS politics IS economics!
Have you never heard: "All politics is local"
That means: "How much money will that vote put in my pocket?"
..And "money in my pocket" is the cornerstone of every economic ruling in the history of the world!! (..With the exception of Mother Theresa, bless her!)
You go ahead and write circles, ..the keystones (rest, food, children, creativity) were laid eons ago. They still bloom.

CalCarp:

If America limps further down that road to socialism, ..like a cigarette smoker, it is only "rushing" to its concluding days. The "Blessings of Liberty" will have been neglected to return our gaze upon that which "Nature's Creator" has already supplied: Equality. "Returned our gaze" as if we now think we could do BETTER than that which we received from nature!
The other Day, Greybeard, you scolded America for "acting in supreme fashion", ..for "wanting to play God" in the world. Who is pretending to be able to improve upon nature's blessings right now? ..You? ..Bickerstaff? ..Obama?

BMC:

Preamble to the Constitution. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America."

Also the 14th amendment, "...no state shall deny a person of life, liberty or property without due process..."

A fluid Constitution means there is no way to foresee our future or needs to translate the Constitution. This is what the Bill of Rights is about and all the amendments that follow it. I'm rather fond of the 14th that calls me an equal and the 19th that allows me to vote. Congress has and does however go to far if you read the fine print below half of the ammendments you will find "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation." While this is not necessarily a bad thing, I think the last few years have proved it's not necessarily a good thing either.

It is my opinion our forefathers meant for us to grow as a nation but was never meant for us to lose our basic rights for liberty and freedom. The purpose of government to to insure that my personal freedoms do not effect your personal freedoms.

CalCarp:

I believe your direct point here, is that you disagree with my mentioned dislike of a "fluid Constitution" (..which soon becomes no Constitution at all, ..if no one has to agree to what it says!). Okay, so we disagree!
The rest of your writing is fine, ..but does it tie in to "capitalism v. socialism"?
For example: Do you think the Constitution trusts one of those economic systems over the other? (Note that it protects "property" and "contracts", ..but imposes no taxes!)
Lastly, "Equality". The Constitution never does call anyone "equal" to another.
It says we are all "citizens", none of whom shall be legislated fewer "privileges of citizenship" than any other citizen, and who are all due legal protections which are the same as everyone else's.
That means we all share freedoms and liberties, and similar protections from harms. It does NOT say I have to give somebody half my sandwich, do their homework for them, take the same job as them, or recite the same politics.

CalCarp:

..okay, one more thing: That part about, "The purpose of government to to insure that my personal freedoms do not effect your personal freedoms".
I just hope we remember that a Nation is about more than just "Rights, Liberties, and Freedoms". There is a whole lot more of the nuts-and-bolts stuff like roads, schools, commerce regulation, money supply, wars, courts, and budgets that governments also have to apply their "billable-hours" toward.
Just as important as freedoms and rights, are obligations and responsibilities.
Double-entry accounting capitalists know that, ..socialists too often forget.
A socialist government may so fixate on "freedoms" and "rights", and votes and campaigns; that they neglect those nuts-and-bolts duties. They will soon forget how to govern entirely, the State (California), or the Nation may slide into disrepair and poverty, ..and those lawmakers will be tempted to just cry "Let's make the rich people buy it for us!", ..instead of relearning how to govern.

BMC:

Fluid is not wrong, we'd still have slaves if it hadn't been for fluid. Fluid is not the problem, the problem is that government forgets the intent of the document and tramples all over it. You can't smoke in your own home, obese people can't eat in restaurants, government supports privatized business in one place and bans it in another. Government should have little to no bearing in business. There is no such thing as a true democrat or republican anymore. Both have become equally corrupt and socialistic.

In my opinion so long as my rights do not effect yours no governing law should be written. When my rights effect your rights then government can step in. You only need the preamble to see that. Your argument and mine as well regarding government and business is in the preamble as well.
Equal is stated to a point. 14th, any law written extends to all. If there is no law then you are free to do it anyway.

CalCarp:

I disagree with your re-statement of that all-too-common destructive propaganda that the U.S. Constitution advocates, encourages, or even ALLOWS the continued life of that world-wide monster of human slavery.
I see our Declaration of Independence as our "Beowulf" coming to slay that dragon, ..and our Constitution as the roadmap for how that achievement was going to unfold.
Here is the Constitution, ..please show me the part you believe supports the practice of slavery:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html
Lawyers love a "fluid Constitution", ..just like Congress likes "general funds", ..they both allow the greatest "degree of freedom" for lawyer and Congressional behaviors. (.."General funds" are not assigned to any specific purpose.)
I believe that both lawyers, and Congress men and women, should do what WE want, ..not what THEY want.
We need a FIRM, not a Fluid, Constitution.
Our words need to be heard, and respected.

BMC:

Interesting commentary. Those amendments were added but did not need to be added. The Supreme court could have simply said that we are all equal. I'll go back and read them all at a later date, to see if the same can be said for each and everyone of them outside of the first ten.

I don't know if I want the peoples choice at every turn though. I would prefer to go back to a Supreme Court to deem things constitutional or not and a Congress and Senate to propose legislation where it is necessary to protect those rights for all. People however.... would all have us worshiping this God or that. Look at gay rights in California, go back to the 70's when blacks and whites couldn't marry and of course the slavery/women voting thing.... toss in the ban of alcohol and you get what the people want.

Not sure if I agree on the finer points, I'll look the constitution over again. We are however on the same page in regards to it's interpretation and how it should be treated.

CalCarp:

Thank you for your opinions!
May I offer that the Constitution, and the Supreme Court, actually IS the "voice of the people", ..for WE put it in place!
The Constitution may remain firm (..and should!) while the Court, in fact, is to "interpret" the subordinate law that is in question, in order to decide if that law does satisfactorily embrace the tenets of our agreed-to Constitution.
We should not be questioning the Constitution, ..but the laws that we propose to express it. If there is doubt, ..it is the proposed law that should yield.
And amendments do serve a forethought purpose. That is recognized by amending method being included right there in the Constitution itself (Art. 5).
But that does not mean anything should be seen as "temporary", or "incomplete"!
Perhaps the idea is quite the opposite:
"Constitutions should consist only of general provisions, for they must necessarily be permanent, yet they can not calculate for possible change of things." (Alexander Hamilton)

CalCarp:

..hey, ..nobody said governance was going to be easy, eh?
We are walking on thin ice, over very deep waters.
..Good luck to us all!

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