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Muttin'

Is it a conspiracy theory that the entire world's Market depend's on America?

Dick:

I don't understand this concept either CA, how can it when most of Europe is on the Euro, and the rest is on the Pound ? Neither of them are based on the Dollar.

Muttin':

I keep hearing from our Federal Government that it's true.

Dick:

Yes I hear the same but still fail to understand, maybe they need to explain themselves a lot more. I know we have a great debt but the whole world is not dependent on our being a solvent nation in my opinion.

Muttin':

Ah, Debt. How will we repay the debt?

Classic:

11 Trillion Dollars in debt.

Muttin':

How about we sell ANWR? Is this what we've been saving that for?

Dick:

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Muttin':

LOL, I'm just brain storming Dick :)

Knight:

No it is not a conspiracy theory.. it has been documented for ages in the great book.. and I will quote from it .."...and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies" Yes the world depends on America.. (IMO).. but it ends somewhere.

Muttin':

So if the banking systems throughout the world are corrupt and failing, What's going to stop it?

Knight:

Greed has to stop.. and common sense has to kick in.. America is headed in a direction that we do not want to see it.. but than again some of us assume the worst based on what is happening so far.. it can not be ignored.. but common sense has to kick in before America becomes one of the poor countries.. believe it or not other countries depend on America.. when something happens to them who do they cry out for?.. now that America seems to have their back on the wall who is aiding our country?..

Knight:

but it happens the ups and downs.. we so happen to be near the down side.. it is documented in history.. it has fallen it has pulled itself out.. fall again.. etc

Muttin':

Yes this is true. Greed by whom? The banks or the Government? Greed will end for the people when we run out of money and are taxed and inflation arrive. I agree with you. It's a global Money problem and the war on it has begun. Thanks Suga

Knight:

Greed with the "powers that be" which you named.. and the war may have just began...

Knight:

You welcome CA... you are quite accurate in your findings and views.. just some are blinded and do not want to view the full picture..

Muttin':

Thanks Suga :)

Ted:

Conspiracy theory, no.
75% truth and 25% wishful thinking, yes. The American consumer as a unit has a lot of money to spend, and the consumer has kept many factories open producing the cheap crap we love so much. The cheap crap factories need things like machines, and materials, which also provide jobs for the lower paid classes. The more people get jobs and are paid, the more cheap crap they can buy and fuel the system.

That's the upside of economics. The downside is when... well... Look at the news for the past two years. It pretty much goes right along with your average economics textbook.

Trina:

Right on! Yes.

Muttin':

Yes but what about government confiscation of wealth? How does this create jobs and keep people employed and able to purchased higher priced cheap goods through inflation?

Ted:

The US government is the SECOND largest consumer in the world. During wartime government spending caused the country to recover from the great deprtession. The government does not hold wealth like, well... Wealthy people, Government money is spent as soon as it hits the coffers, (Or in our case 11 trillion dollars of it spent before it hits.)
The trick is all that government money has to come from SOMEWHERE, loans, or bonds, or taxes. Because if the government uses it's other option, printing the money it dilutes the value of our currency, causing rampant inflation. And that would be the REAL disaster.

The Oracle:

I gotta' along with you on this one. Years ago (MANY years ago) I came across an article in Playboy magazine (and no, I didn't buy it..lol) and the article was about the Trilateral Commission....or basically how a few guys run everything. I was astonished and passed it off to everyone I knew, and also made copies. Its about 25 to 30 pages. WITHOUT EXCEPTION, everybody who read it was freaked out......I would dig for a link to Playboy archives but 1) I cant and 2) I'm way too tired to do this correctly. I assure you (and BTW, nothing has changed since then), finding this article (probably by Advanced Google Search)..........is worth every minute of your time. You will really see who's who and what's what. I'm surprised there was no covert operation to kill Hefner or shut him down.

Muttin':

LOL! Ok, Guess I'll dig through the playboy's for this one :) Thanks for the information. If I find it, I will post it under your answer.

The Oracle:

Now don't be lookin' at all those pictures...you'll go blind.

Trina:

While we are the biggest "consumers" on the planet right now, and indeed many other countries main exports go directly to us....I think other markets would rally after a depression if some disaster were to happen. So, it would be a bit of a domino affect for awhile...but eventually things would right themselves as new connections were established.

So, while the specific word "depends" is sort of hazy (what does that mean? Depends?) I don't think it's a stretch to say that when America is going through an economic crisis that other markets will definitely be negatively affected for awhile!

Muttin':

Then how come other countries are in the same mess? http://theangloamerican.com/run-on-the-banks-from-britain-to-ireland/
And Japan has had 9 bailouts over the last 20 years and they are still in bad shape? If all the markets are failing, what is the solution to this problem?

Trina:

The theory is based on Ethnocentricity. Basically, the world will "tremble" if America's influence ends...but it will be fine in the end.

Trina:

Japan's problems have been going on despite any ups or downs in America's specific market. You are trying to make connections that just are not always there.

It would be convenient, and an easy solution, to think that there are secret puppet masters who are so smart (genius even) who can control everything from political uprisings to actual economies....but really they are separate entities who "sometimes" form monopolies together (the past has shown this).

However, I highly doubt the theory that America is the hub of all the world's economic crisis (even though not everyone is feeling strain) right now....I think a whole conglomeration of things have to be in motion here.

The solution? Not sure...I slept through most of my Political Science class..

Muttin':

But what about continuing to keep trying to fix it? How does the ownership transfer take place?

Trina:

Right now, the only thing that is trying to be done is to build up consumer confidence. The average consumer is what this system hinges on. Ted below made an excellent (and accurate point) about it all being tied to the consumer.

Transferring of ownership is a private matter and should not be under government influence...not quite sure what you mean there.

The "fixing" will happen on it's own as people decide to invest more....it's really a game of waiting it out and knowing when to invest vs pull out. The economy is it's own separate "thing"...it hinges on the population's outlook at any given time. Right now...people are scared...and the markets are reflecting that.

Muttin':

My connection to Japan is basic, America has just begun down this road. If Japan isn't doing any better by it, then how will we?

Muttin':

That's true, but how does the transfer of wealth from this countries debt to its debtor's occur? There is no way now we will ever pay this debt off. NONE. What will we do? Sell Alaska back to Russia? Let China take Hong Kong without a fight. I believe the current economic crisis to be way beyond the scope of simple economics. Something big is going to happen and Biden was right when he said it. Its happening right before our very eyes and Americans don't even notice. They are too busy trying to find work that doesn't exist and keep houses they can't afford.

Trina:

Oh I think American's have noticed. Which is why we see so much turmoil in the markets.

I think, in the future we'll see some intense negotiations being made with those we owe money to. That's how it works.

America had to keep up it's image of being the spending capital...without the responsibility to it's citizens to explain that in order to spend...you have to "have money"....and now....we're still trying keep the panic at bay (and we should..panic never helps).

Muttin':

Yes trina, I think Americans have noticed, but do not see the reason behind it yet. These negotiations are coming....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/

And as you say, it's best not to panic, but I feel it's best to be informed about it before it takes everyone by surprise. Thanks for the thread.

Aquarius the Brett:

That's too much like farting in an elevator and blaming people who squeal as sniffers of your royal behind. (Sorry even though I know many organizations have sharpened their knives in conspiracy against the US and vice versa.)

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