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Gary

What will happen to Networking & graphics now with the new Tile64 CPU for video, routers & switches?

Just introduced yesterday by Tilera a NEW 64 core CPU. A new Chip manufacturer to the business, when at the 19th annual Hot CHips Conference at Stanford University Palo Alto, California they introduced a fully productive capable 64 Core Processor. Then plans to use it in routers switches and video graphics, will go into full production within a year, what do you think? You can read more about it below. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/MIT-startup-raises-multicor​e-bar-with-new-64-core-CPU.arshttp://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41800http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136214-page,1-c,cpus/article.html
Sweetness34:

Its not a generic purpose processor, so it will not replace the desktop processors. But it might have a big impact in niche areas like packet switching and video processing, where it will act as co-processors to offload specialized (and time consuming tasks). But there already are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilocore">processors</a> will more cores (and more powers) but I don't see much of an uptake.

Gary:

The link you posted to what you are trying to compare what I am talking about is not a Primary Processor it is only a Co-Processor unlike that of a NorthBridge Chip designed to be the load bearer to assist the primary processor, but is not a primary chip in its self. http://www.rapportincorporated.com/pdfs/Rapport%20-%20KC256%20Technica​l%20Overview.pdf
But you have not told me anything I have not already known. I wanted to know what you thought about this 64 core Primary Processor for the future advancement of technology.
And interestingly enough as I can see you did not read any of the links I provided, you should of seen the arguement I also reinterated on about the future of computing technology about the Software Developers and Programmers and how they are falling short in being able to keep up with the new technology.
This was touched on in one of the links I provided by the designers of this new Primary Processor and others.

Sweetness34:

Kilocore is one PowerPC core flanked by 1024 co procs. So, yes, they are quite comparable. And yes, I have not read it because I have read quite significant material about Tilera. If there is something specific in any article, you ought to have mentioned it. In their absense, I didn't assume the links have anything other than Tilera has this and does that. Based on that, I already offered my opinion: "But there already are processors will more cores (and more powers) but I don't see much of an uptake" It doesn't take rocket science to extrapolate that I am extrememly skeptical.
If you were looking for opinion on a specific angle (programmability), you need to be specific about it. My expertise and passion happens to be in the field of concurrent programming, I can go on hours writing on it. I will write a blog entry (or a series) on my views about concurrent programming, and will let you know.

Gary:

Sounds good I would love to read it. I to have been following the Professors work at MIT and elsewhere. And I have seen what His Tile 64 can do. I have no doubts at this time as far as its potential, as long as the software can be created to utilize that full potential. As you can see that is also the major concern for the Professor as he made comment of this fact in one of the links I provided.
Most of what many are calling Processors are only designed for embedded systems such as robotic controlers, automatic machine controlers etc., not desktops or servers as an end user would know them with the acception that the Liocore can be used as a replacement for the Northbridge Chip on most PC Motherboardsa in conjunction with a less powerful Processor for production cost concerns.
And I quote from the PDF spec sheet;
In addition, the KC256 is a universal co-processor, allowing computeintensive
tasks to be offloaded from the main processor. Thus, a less
powerful main processor can be used, further lowering costs.

Sweetness34:

I am not doubting the capabilities of the Tile64 CPU. Or the Intel TeraScale Processor. Or the KiloCore. What I am skeptical of is of the commercial success. And the reasons for that is that the software ecosystem is not mature enough to take advantage of the massively concurrent computing abilities "in a large scale". And another significant reason is that the system builders generally are reluctant to go with a ship with an unproven track record for something as critical as a microprocessor.
As for the Kilocore, it is just a processor. Whether it is the central processor, or just a co-processor, depends on the architecture of the system it is put to use in. And a Northbridge/Southbridge isn't the only way to connect components to help the processor.
Btw, can you provide some first-hand information regarding the Tile64 processor, other than the press coverage (which consists of half facts and the other half semi-informed opinions)?
And I will write the blog entry about concurrent programming in a day or two, from the software point of view.

Sweetness34:

Also regarding kilocore, since it has a fully functional Power5 chip, it can pretty well be used as the central microprocessor of a server of desktop computer. Its architecture is a lot similar to the Cell architecture, which is being for supercomputers as well (in addition to PS3 running the regular PowerPC port of Linux). While this may not be the intended use of the KC, it is not a bad candidate for doing so. Just that nobody is going to write software that spans 1024 low power cores (they will have to because no core in itself is powerful enough for the task) for a browser or an email client. Otherwise, purely from a theoretical perspective, it would be a helluva processor.

Gary:

All they are providing right now is the over view of the design pathways and style of architecture with brief on its potential. Here is the PDF brief that has been provided to developers and others in the business as I am. http://www.tilera.com/pdf/ProBrief_Tile64_Web.pdf
If you have something else to offer that is more in depth I would be very much interested.

Gary:

Also other information they have provided on a specific application design http://www.tilera.com/pdf/ProductBrief_TILExpress_V1.pdf
and the software;
http://www.tilera.com/pdf/ProBrief_MDE_v1_Web.pdf

Gary:

And here is an Achitecture brief; http://www.tilera.com/pdf/ArchBrief_Arch_V1_Web.pdf
They are very tight lipped for more than this other than they are willing to asnwer limited technical questions. I believe they were spooked by Intel's people at the conference according to Nathan Brookwood of Insight64. Intel has a sordid history of putting the cabash on small starter companies like this. We will have to see.

Ed:

They've been talking about using general purpose processors for video, networking, etc. for decades now. It's nothing new, and I don't see anything that will make it succeed this time around.

Slap Daddy:

Really, interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. first ive heard of it, and Im a hardware junky.

Gary:

As someone in the business of building systems it has been my experience that we have the means and technology to advance so much faster if we can only get the people who are suppose to be the software developers and Programmers to put their mids to same grind stone and create the language needed to be productive in the way these advanced hardware designers know they can.
If we could see the same dedication from them as we do the hardware desginers do we could jump by leaps and bounds so fast, it make your head spin.
The link to the Co-processor that Soum (below) provided is just another example of the step forward in the future in speed of processing data by lessoning the load on the primary Processor by using smaller processing areas over a larger array that works with the parellel processing that these newer 64 and 80 core primary processors are going to rely on software developers and programmers to create applications and computing language that will utilize their full potential. The linear computing language used today has reached the end of its road, its time to bury it and move on.

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